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The Sunday Salon: Why On Earth Are You Reading *That*?
margaret fuller
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It seems a lot of you folks out there in the Sunday Salon are able to keep your reading a relatively private ritual. You curl up with a book on a Sunday, and spend a sleepy day with cat and tea.

I'm a little bit different. Since I travel so much for work, reading is a largely public affair for me. Most of my books are consumed in trains, planes, automobiles, and buses. I read them in hotel breakfast rooms. I keep them tucked in my laptop bag.

I'm not going to go so far as to claim that this somehow makes reading into a dialogue with the unknown public. However, I probably find much more than others that certain books seem to provoke a reaction.

It's unpredictable, really. I might have expected Uncle Tom's Cabin or Blood and Guts in High School to spark a conversation. But instead, eyes passed over the title and out the window. Some books get a reaction from the aficionado only. Janet Frame, for instance, is really good for smoking out kiwis on a train. I remember that I once had a conversation about The Tunnel (William Gass) with an Israeli PhD student who found it very difficult to believe that a businessperson read such things. (& I probably confirmed his worst fears in the process, since I found the book both pompous and grotty)

Certain books, however, get very strong and occasionally quite odd reactions. I will recommend to other ladies that reading Gödel, Escher, Bach on an airplane is to become as a man magnet to any male computer genius who may be in the vicinity. I still receive the occasional email from a University researcher who confessed to me with great longing that he didn't know that there were women who read books like Gödel, Escher, Bach.

I'm currently reading Wealth of Nations, and it is too early in this big book for me to have very much to say about the text itself. But I will say that it is already evident that it provokes some very strong reactions in people who see me reading.

"Why are you reading that?" snapped a Dutch businessman on the train.
"Are you studying economics?" asked the Danish business administration professor.
"Excuse me, why are you reading that?" asked a curious student.

Others restrict themselves to staring, but do so with clear surprise.

To all and sundry I give my very humble explanation-- Wealth of Nations is one of those books that everyone discusses, but seems to hardly ever be read. I had read large sections of it in college, and had decided to circle back and pick up the text itself.

This explanation helps somewhat, but only somewhat. The Dutch businessman informed me icily that there were very good summaries available, and it was perfectly unnecessary to read the original text. The professor looked ashamed and said that he should really do the same thing. The student just shrugged, seemingly unconvinced about my sanity.

So do you have any experiences with public reading? What's the best conversation that you ever got started from reading a book? Any books in your experience draw a strong reaction from other people?

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I used to spend many hours reading in planes and restaurants so I know what you mean. Two conversations come to mind. The second was with an organic farmer from Arkansas who wanted to talk about the Canterbury Tales. My first memorable one was way back when as a sixteen year old (it was the summer between Lower and Upper Sixth) I was commuting into the City on the railway line that runs out to that part of the world that seems largely to be populated by US bomber bases. I was reading an (American) applied maths textbook. I had the hardest time convincing a USAF engineer that I was still at school because, he informed me, it was a book I wouldn't see until my Junior year at a US university. On the whole though I suspect men come in for less attention of that sort. I do get odd comments at work about my choice of reading matter sometimes. Sarah Pomeroy's Goddesses, Whores, Wives, and Slaves was especially good for that.

i guess me as guy reading 'la deuxième sexe' induced the role-mirrored responses as yours to 'gödel, escher, bach. :-) or any feminsit literature for that matter (like any marilyn french book i used to read back then).

i do have one fond memory of meeting a lovely girl on a boat from athens to haïfa, when we saw we were reading the same book by hermann hesse (steppenwolf? narziss und goldmund?)). big smiles. we then spent some weeks together traveling through israel.

*sigh*

mmm... maybe i should spray paint my replies to a brick wall to ever see you respond to a reply of mine.

oh, not fair. I respond to many of your posts. but apologies if I give you the idea that I don't read them!

no i mean to a *reply* to your posts. i can't remember you ever responded to it.

can't believe that it's never. if so, I apologize. I don't always respond to comments to my posts. For some posts, I don't respond to anyone at all.

But I really feel bad if I give you the impression that I don't value your responses.

Well, in recent memory, I can find two occasions where I did. But there were others where I didn't. I don't mean to seem snobbish.

Apologies.

ok. but it often feels like talking to someone at a party, who then suddenly walks away.

so are you gonna answer my cats and tv question now too? ;-)

I am not good at conversations at parties. That's why I write so much on lj, ok?

I was kind of purposely not answering that one. But the answer is that no, in the journal I was telling the truth. I was playing with the cats.

Why do I only get people asking me 'Is that a good book?', usually when I am insufficiently far into it to give much in the way of opinion?

I hate that question. I never know what to say. And, as you say, it is invariably asked when I am less than 50 pages into the book.

I'd always assumed (being backwards) that no one paid the least attention to my reading, that once I pulled out my book an invisibility cloak settled around me. I knew it wasn't true--I could and was still attacked by bullies or dad on the rampage--but that was my conviction. Yet I always scanned others' titles, turning my head sideways as I passed, if I had to, yet still thinking I was invisible.

I've had unmemorable conversations (I don't travel much, and though I read while standing in all long lines, such as at the post office, everyone is wrapped in their shroud of isolation) except for the time when I was, oh, 26 o5 27--decades ago--I was a lowly secretary at CBS Studio Center. I was sitting out on the lot on a relatively cool day, eating my sandwich and reading Axel's Castle as I'd been binging on Edmund Wilson's non-fic because his mind was so alien. A really famous director stopped dead in his tracks and said, "Are you really reading that?"

I was so used to girl putdowns in those days, I just smiled and said yes. He asked if I was in school, and I said no; we chattered on about Wilson. Turned out he had very much the same tastes (he was probably a decade younger than Wilson) and I didn't.

P.J. O'Rourke once observed -- and from my own reading, I think it's true -- that Wealth could have been a quarter its length if only graphs had been in wide use in 1776.

Edited at 2008-02-17 04:38 pm (UTC)

Probably true.

I'm really trying to take my time over it. I actually remember it having a lot of life from what I read years ago. I'm trying to read it as though I hadn't had all those ideas predigested for me through all the other sources. Not so easy.

My mother, who unfortunately didn't live to see the series completed, was a great lover of 'Harry Potter' and if she saw anyone else reading a copy of any of the books would immediately engage them in conversation. One of the remarkable things about this was that she was always met with incredible kindness even if that meant a twenty year old on his precious lunch break giving time to an eighty-five year old. I can't tell you how grateful I was to them all.

I frequently can be found reading in the break room at work and occasionally people will ask me what it is I am reading as they strain to look at the cover.

I remember one time I actually had a book cover on my book, excited to have found one I actually liked. Because my book is often carried around in my purse, I thought this perhaps would help with any wear and tear the edges of the cover might suffer from so many trips in and out. A man I'd never seen before caught me reading in the break room on day and asked me what I was reading. I told him the title and he proceeded to ask questions implying I was reading a racy romance novel--something about two men the beautiful lass was fighting over. Unfortunately comebacks usually only come to be after the fact, and this instance was no different. I simply said that no, that wasn't the case and gave him a one sentence synopsis. I happened to be reading a crime fiction novel at the time.

There, of course, is nothing wrong with reading romance novels, but his presumptions were enough to make me put that book cover in a drawer when I got home, and it's stayed there ever since.

A book cover is actually a really good idea, and something that I've never considered. My books get quite beat up in all my travels...

The important question is: What books should me be reading if they're looking to get picked up?

I'm struggling to remember a good conversation started by public reading. It shouldn't be that hard -- but the only story that comes to mind is the time I nearly got beaten up for reading Louis Althusser on the red line.

by a roaming French conservative? I'm surprised that someone even recognized it.

One time I was reading Jude the Obscure in the NYC subway and a young couple came over, plunked themselves down in front of me, and wanted to know WHY I was reading it -- was I a student, had it been assigned? I said no, I was just sort of working my way through Thomas Hardy. Why? Because I felt like it. You mean you're reading it for enjoyment? Yes. What? Why? It was their belief that everyone (except their illustrious selves) hated Thomas Hardy and read his novels only if compelled to do so. They were bright-eyed but I found them tiresome. Maybe they'd been smoking something.

Edited at 2008-02-17 06:41 pm (UTC)

Another time, a young friend of my sister's with whom I was barely acquainted called me up and asked if she could stay overnight at my apartment. I forget the whole situation but of course I invited her right over. We made polite chit-chat, had dinner or a snack, and retired. My spare bed or couch was on the other side of the same room. Lights were out. We passed one or two final comments in the dark and one of us made some reference to Herman Hesse. With that, we both sprang out of bed, lights came back on, and we jabbered excitedly all night long. That was some 45 years ago and we still meet occasionally.

those moments are great, aren't they?

I have never had anyone comment on my reading in public, ever! But that's the Brits for you. We'd consider it a terrible imposition and crossing all kinds of lines of intimacy (if you have a book open, it's a signal you don't want to be talked to). Actually what am I saying: I've read on planes and trains here and in France and America so I guess actually it must be me. Anyways, I once was reading Georges Bataille's Story of the Eye on a train because I didn't know what the book was about. I wanted to read it at arm's length to hold it away from me, but then I didn't want anyone else to be able to see the words, either. That was one I really should have left at home.

Once when I lived in London, I was riding the tube fairly late in the evening. A guy who was dyed green, wearing a loincloth, and carrying a flute got on the train. What amazed me was not the guy-- but the fact that nobody else showed the slightest inclination to look at him. It was bizarre.

It seems to be the opposite in the States. If you have a book open, it apparently means you are looking for conversation, since surely *no one* reads unless forced. *sigh* I can hardly read in public without being constantly interrogated, and that's frustrating when you only have a short time on work breaks and some numbnuts has to tell you his sister reads, too (subtext: she's an oddball just like you!) and how much she loves Danielle Steel. *eyeroll*

Mary MMM

I was reading some of the books in the Emile Zola Rougon-Macquart series (in English) during breaks at work last year. One of the engineers remarked, condescendingly, "Oooooh, isn't that HARD?" Also, I get a lot of people asking, since I am woman reading, if the book is a romance. (As if women read nothing else.)

Most of the time, it seems people interrupt your reading because they think if you're carrying a book, it means you don't have anyone to talk to, and they are glad to oblige and yammer about their daughter's child's toilet habits. Or else, it's some guy trying to pick you up by commenting that he knows someone else who reads, too (as if you are quite the oddity.)

I go read in the car in the summertime, but it's too cold in the winter and there's no quiet place at work to do it.

Mary MMM




Most of the time, it seems people interrupt your reading because they think if you're carrying a book, it means you don't have anyone to talk to

Oh yes, I've noticed this.

I do a fair amount of my reading at coffee shops, and often interact with others about my reading material.

However, Sundays my coffee shop is closed.

I'm rather sorry, after reading all these comments, that I don't commute. I should try the cafe trick and see what conversations that produces!

Hope you're enjoying Smith.

Well, I'm enjoying it in sections. At other points, I think that the idea that it's too bad that they didn't have graphs back then is relevant. :)

Public reading

(Anonymous)

2008-02-18 03:52 pm (UTC)

How funny! I could really relate to your post because, actually, I wrote an article on the same subject:

http://estellabooks.blogspot.com/2007/09/confessions-of-closet-reader.html

April

When I was reading Proust or Austen inquiring individuals always assumed it was for class. ("No, I'm not an English major, I just like to read.") One poor German chap saw me reading "The Chronicles of Narnia" omnibus and expressed astonishment at the book's size, convinced that I must be some kind of intellectual heavyweight. Most recently an English professor marvelled (in some disapproval) at my voluntary Tennyson reading and recommended I try something more modern like Ezra Pound.

Imani


Most recently an English professor marvelled (in some disapproval) at my voluntary Tennyson reading and recommended I try something more modern like Ezra Pound.

oh, that's funny.

I found myself smiling as I read this - I almost always ask people about books they are reading when I'm traveling - and I noticed others ask me about mine as well. I must admit to some nosiness ... I think what people read tell us something about who they are, and I am always curious as to why someone is reading what they are reading! I have had the most interesting conversations on planes about books :)

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